PUAs Are Evil
First of all, I wanted to let you know that I’m back and safe. I
had to spend a few days in the cold with nothing but leaves to
eat, but all worked out okay in the end. It’s not the first time
I’ve done this. You’ll be able to read about the first time in the
new book.
I’m supposedly getting a final release date from the publisher
(as well as permission to tell you all about it) shortly.
Anyway, I’m writing because…I officially don’t get it:
In the last week, two more prime-time scripted television shows
ripped off The Game and Mystery’s techniques.
And of course perverted the message of the whole thing.
For those who haven’t been keeping score, last year, CSI Miami
aired an episode about pickup artists with rival workshops, an
undercover reporter infiltrating them, and murderous results.
Then there was Twins (the Sara Gilbert show), in which Gilbert’s
nerdy high school friend returns transformed after having
written a book about picking up women using techniques like negs.
And on a recent Ugly Betty episode, she interviews the writer of a
book called Tap That: How to Score With Hot Bitches, which
advocates the A.S.S. approach to meeting women (Approach, Subdue,
Score).
TV writers seem especially fond of using use pua jargon like neg
and peacocking, which one of us should probably get the
English dictionary to include by following these steps:
http://www.oed.com/readers/research.html
Anyway, I thought TV writers had their fill of The Game after
these shows.
But then, the other week, on Big Bang Theory, one of the nerds,
Howard, decides to try peacocking and negs, and strikes out
miserably.
And then last week, on Criminal Minds, investigators chase after
a man who’s taken a pickup workshop with a Mystery clone named
Raven, and is now seducing and murdering innocent clubgoing women.
Do you sense a theme here?
It’s that the game is for creeps, losers, and killers.
And this kinda pisses me off.
Why?
Because it shames men out of seeking help for their issues. Help
that could bring them out out of their social shells. Help
that could make them much happier with themselves. Help that
will, for most of them, lead at some point to marriage and
children - and, in the meantime, lead to new experiences and
friendships, not to mention some fun, consensual late nights.
The truth is, from the thousands upon thousands of successful
AND botched pickups I’ve witnessed: The game poses a far greater
threat to the guy than to the girl. And not one TV show has
captured this
The real victims of the game are the guys who get so into it,
they lose themselves. They lose the things that are special
about them as individuals, they lose their direction in life,
they lose their ability to relate normally to people.
And that is a minority of guys. Most are smart enough to get it,
and blossom into amazingly cool, fun, successful guys.
When it comes to violence in society, which these shows love to
attribute to PUAs as an exciting plot twist, if you read the news,
some of the most shocking crimes in society have been caused by
men who have pent-up sexual desires but have either been rejected
or just have no way to attain them. So they grow dark and bitter
and hateful, and eventually lash out. Other instances of violence
(like school shootings and suicides) have been caused by people
who felt like social outcasts. And other instances (like domestic
abuse) stem from an attempt to take control over the victim.
(Of course, some people are just crazy, fucked-up sociopaths.)
The point is: when taught and learned correctly, the game
socializes men.
And the more socialized people we have in this world, the less
anti-social behavior we’ll see.
If fewer people feel powerless around and invalidated by others,
than fewer people will resort to trying to get what they believe
to be the upper hand through violence
So, rather than leading to more violence in the world, the game
is at least a step toward leading guys to seek help with
their issues and pointing to other attainable solutions.
Because the game is not about wearing a funny hat and insulting
women.
It’s about becoming your best self and making the best possible
first impression you can. It’s about understanding the rules
that people use to make social and sexual and professional
choices and alliances, and working effectively within that system.
It’s about attracting others by learning to master yourself, rather
than trying to control them. And it’s also about having fun when
you go out, rather than cowering timidly in the corner.
Though the seduction community has its faults and shortcomings, I
often think about what my life would have been like if I never
discovered it. And I would have died having missed out on so much
of life, because I was so scared and timid and uncomfortable and
mute around women and strangers.
And what worries me about these shows is that, psychologically,
they make guys who feel socially ostracized feel even MORE
ostracized and ashamed for trying to do something to change it.
So, in conclusion, we’re all going to have to band together and
change the tide on this in television dramas and sitcoms. (Thanks
to VH1, at least this is getting a better depiction on the reality
show front.) Maybe we can make a show about a crime-solving team
of pickup artists, who use their social skills to make connections
and get information from people.
Or maybe not.
But at least we can all do our part in encouraging anyone - male or
female - to take whatever positive steps are necessary towards
becoming a better, more attractive, more successful person who’s
fully and fearlessly engaged in life.
Thanks for listening,
Neil
Murali Said,
December 15, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
Spot on, Neil. But one good thing about PUAs on TV falling out of fashion is that it will test which guys were really committed about improving themselves — they will stick to the system — and which ones jumped on the bandwagon just because it was fashion — these ones will drop out. At the end of the day, only people who are willing can make a change, reality shows or not.
Flashback Said,
December 16, 2008 @ 3:55 pm
I agree 100%. Ive noticed not just on all the t.v. shows but also in interviews with master pua’s. The news, interviewer, or whatever always make the game seem like some kind of bull shit lies people will feed just to get money. It makes me really pissed off that they dont even hear the whole story about it. Then they tern around and make it look like were just tricking women into sleeping with us. So dont worry, your not alone. Ive noticed too.
Max Said,
December 17, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Thank you for pointing these issues out. I also believe that ‘Popular Society’ struggles to help men advance in the area self-improvement and in that struggle the personal lives of men (as well as those around them) become the casualties.
(P.S.:I have read The Game, Rules of the Game, and I am waiting for your new book to come out.)
P.S.S.: I understand that you are incredibly busy but I have some personal questions that I would like to discuss with you or someone who you could appoint to me. Any help would be great.
Thank You,
Max
Roberto Said,
December 17, 2008 @ 2:28 pm
It’s ridiculous. How can a person that want to socialize be a killer or something like that?
I agree with you Neil.
Hugs
Joseph Said,
December 17, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
I was searching for your book, reading a bit online, and now after google-ing your name Neil I found your site then clicked the tiny link at the bottom to come here and I find your blog.
I’m glad to hear you write about this topic as I purchased some materials from Mr. De Angelo and picked up a woman I knew I could have never attained and then went wussy.
However I never told anyone and I really wanted to tell some friends I knew who were also struggling with just being social.
Then I hear some news broadcast and read an article in STUFF magazine. Yeah! A magazine that is supposed to be for us and totally bashed Mystery.
I laughed because the examples given about the techniques were all wrong. I’d like to interview the writer myself.
Anyways, thanks again for the post, and I recently told a friend. Who then laughed but after explaining some ways of talking to women he started to open his eyes.
evolve Said,
January 1, 2009 @ 4:57 pm
Happy new year!! You know Neil, there are two books in my life I’d consider life-changing. The first was the Foundation series by Isaac Azimov, which instilled in me a love for science and a passion for writing and storytelling that began at a young age and continues to this day. The second is your book The Game, which opened my eyes to a world I never new existed and offered me a path out of this endless wilderness of frustration with women. I have to admit, all of your stories can make an AFC very jealous, lol - I had an unsuccessful night with a date I dropped a lot of money on for New Years, and I tried reading some of your book after that but had to put it down because it was making me depressed. I’m not a kid anymore, I just turned 30 two days ago, but I feel like I’m failing in this aspect of my life. Azimov is dead, but you are very much alive and a person I would love to meet one day. If you have room for anymore women in your life, and a little time, I have a bunch of beautiful exotic dancers over at my place in Hollywood all the time that I would love to introduce you to, and maybe get to meet you in the process. Best wishes, and I hope this new year is even better than the last for you, if that’s possible
Evolve
Ankur Said,
January 7, 2009 @ 5:03 pm
Ha I know what you mean, but if you watched the latest episode of ‘Leverage’, without actually alluding to the art of pickup, one of the characters if guiding the other to help him pick up a high class woman. It was exciting to see it used in a powerful, positive connotation. Check it out
Walter Said,
January 7, 2009 @ 11:54 pm
Man, I just spotted here by chance, but your words are highly wise.
First I had another impression of you and Mystery when I read The Game, but tonight you helped me with my doubts.
If you had to describe Mystery, and what he’s for you, what would you say ?
A PUA, like you, of course. A good wing, a business partner.
Would you called him a friend ?
Because friends are capable to talk about others things than sarging.
They like to go out of course, but sometimes just to have fun, share a good movie, play videogames or just hanging out with others. And there’s is damn nothing wrong with it, nor homo at all. Friendship is just as important as love.
Because even if the community learned you that love can be artificially generated on a woman, even if you’re one of the greatest PUA of the world, even if you find the perfect woman, one day, thing will go wrong. Maybe it will last only an hour. Maybe more. This day, you will need friends you can always count on. We are all for a defined time on this planet, it’s stupid not to enjoy our live. “They lose the things that are special
about them as individuals, they lose their direction in life and they lose their ability to relate normally to people”, as you said above.
Curious, but it makes me think about project mayem in Fight Club.
The scene where they all stand in front of a dead corpse, like robots.
They lost their humanity, their critical sense. And I dont’ want to be one of them. Now I know that I made the good choices and that it’s not my head which can’t pass the doors anymore. Hope my ex-wing will realise it soon.
Peace
A reader
Walter Said,
January 8, 2009 @ 12:21 am
PS : this article highed-up the opinion I already had of you.
Congrats, you really found what’s important in life.
Richard Said,
January 10, 2009 @ 12:56 am
Barney on how i met your mother, was using some magic displays of value….and kicked ass.
Whirled Said,
January 10, 2009 @ 7:17 am
I’m just wondering what makes it so evil when there’s something out there for guys to learn how to socialise and pick up women, as opposed to the myriad ways for girls to go out and land a man?
It’s probably more of a reflection on society that the message of The Game seems to have got so garbled, that it’s not okay for men to seek means of self-improvement, yet it’s perfectly fine for women to wander down all manner of self-improvement avenues.
I guess it’s just harder to see anti-social women as being just as likely creeps, losers, and killers… but trust me, there are plenty of female sociopaths out there who are in need of as much help as the male ones!
James Said,
January 11, 2009 @ 1:54 am
Let me just start off by saying “The Game” is great. I’m maybe a little more than halfway through it and love every past page. It was given to me as a gift by a sibling for Christmas, along with your transcription of “the Mystery Method.” I haven’t gotten to TMM yet, but I can’t wait(I was told that your book was to be read first). The part with the mispellings preserved for authenticity made me laugh pretty hard. I also laughed much at the score chapter, especially the Librarian with pornstar skills section (it’s always the quiet ones). What I wonder about is how the whole PUA society still functions now that these books are out to the public and everyone can read up the the techniques? How do you drop game on women that know about you or at least know your routines? For example Min(I know how you handled that, but still). I Imagine that many women have already read your book, if not to build up their “game immunity,” just for fun… and most women I know are big on reading.
As for the whole TV show thing, yea, it is irritating, but so is having a thousand “Style-moggers.” Personally, “moggers,” are much much worse than a few badly done TV shows, at least the shows aren’t personal in nature. I like your idea for a pickup artist detective show, maybe you could put one into production, call it “PUA-Miami.”
Thank you for writing these books, I cherish the information,
James
usefull rabbit Said,
January 12, 2009 @ 3:59 am
I cannot understand what is wrong about the script that you seem to be pissed off with. Writers for television, cinema, books, advertisements etc, are always looking for new material or just material to attract attention to their show. The game, seems to me as a good imaginative way to write a criminal, funny, romantic or whatever story in both sides. Smart people (in these case viewers) would perceive that in a normal way. It doesn’t matter if they do not now how to pick up, it matters only that they have the appropriate understanding that what they see is fiction. It is NOT TRUE. My aunt who leaves in a village far from civilization as WE know it may not understand that this is fiction. Like a few years a go told a relative of us that she knows who is the killer in a tv soap opera an should notify about it the director!!! But in the end i do not think that The Game is targeted to 80years old in a village watching television.
Westin Said,
January 12, 2009 @ 6:18 pm
I think there’s skepticism and misunderstanding directed towards a vast number of interests and communities, and especially those outside of peoples’ realities. Every time I see some news piece about improv comedy on the news I cringe. It’s always some idiots in neon colored shirts trying to be funny. It’s the same kind of thing - missing the forest for the trees, as the saying goes.
Craig Ballantyne is running into the same thing, and his response summed it up best. His exercises work but no one seems to believe that you can drop long cardio sessions and still lose weight and build muscle. He said ‘lucky for you guys no one believes this’.
Lucky for us indeed.
Franz Said,
January 15, 2009 @ 7:45 pm
Very true what happens in the mainstream. A lot of these shows make this kind of plots because they want to increase the numbers in the audience chart.
Once I saw a show about you and the host was clearly frustrated in his tone of voice, and at the end of the day you were with your girlfriend and he was enjoing a good time with his laptop
alpha-female Said,
January 16, 2009 @ 10:30 pm
Neil,
me personally don´t have anything against you guys, but i have to say that some guys really go to far, dating at the same time 5 girls,promising them the same things,about being loyal and honest,in order to have a sex, and this game is far away from from that. If the girl has to forgive all the lies that the alpha male told her about himself, and the lies which include also his thoughts and impressions he had told that girl, it is just sad to get someones love . There are out still people who can get really hurt, and who could see that also as a rough game, and start to make troubles. Love is to beautiful to be treated only trough sex, and seen as trophy, which has to be taken.This is not fair to the girls.Simply,because they are to passive roles in all this game.Than its not a game. Than it cant be fun.
I know that telling them, would maybe “break the rule” of the Game, but playing with someones feelings is not actually funny at all.
Regards,
alpha-female
David Said,
January 23, 2009 @ 1:22 am
Hi there,
I just wanted to say that I have JUST finished Neil’s book, The Game, and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it! It was hilarious, but had a solid message at the end of it. Definitely one of the best books I’ve picked up recently.
Jezebel Said,
January 25, 2009 @ 5:14 pm
This is a training-ground for sociopaths. ‘dropping game’ on women? How sad. If the only way you can relate to the opposite sex is by lies and manipulation, you are in need of therapy beyong ’self-help’. I’m glad this book has been published, because it allows women to see the truth about manipulative, predatory, sociopathic men, and sort the grain from the chaff.
Alexander~ Said,
February 5, 2009 @ 9:47 am
agreed and well said.
Alex~
Ginger Said,
February 8, 2009 @ 4:31 pm
Game seems to be misinterpreted far too often in today’s society as a manipulative tool used to seduce women. It is a lifestyle in my opinion not a tool, and as far as seducing women goes, I’d say you’re freeing them with a unique and original approach as opposed to the usual crap they endure in god knows how many bars. To those who believe this “evil” then perhaps you should consider the following:
1. This prevents many sexually frustrated men from picking up a gun and going insane, so already it fights crime.
2. It was invented to help people meet their future wife, and in the meantime, don’t you owe it to that future wife to get out there and become good at both social situations and sex?
3. It’s the 21st century, of all the things one can do to another, using a social situation to your advantage is hardly terrorism.
I’m sure there are thousands more reasons, but these are the ones that stand most clearly in my mind. Our society has changed over time, and right now, this is, survival of the smoothest.
Stottle Said,
February 15, 2009 @ 8:57 am
If you believe that game is all about manipulation of women and lies, then you have completely missunderstood what it is about. There may well be many men walking around professing to work game, but they probably are not, they are probably the guys who are manipulating women, lying to get them into bed, stringing nice girls along so they can have a hareem.
True game is about bringing the real person out from a hibernated shell. Its about learning to socially interact with other people, whether they are male or female. Its about understanding how to portray yourself in the best light at all times. Its about how to handle yourself in social situations. If along this path, you become attractive to women, (which invariably you will) then that is a bonus, and as long as you are totally honest and upfront about your intentions, then there really is no problem.
The problem with media, is that they are haters like all the other people. They put it down because they either don’t understand, or they are scared because people are coming out of their shells and challenging the established people.
Ultimately, I know that I have changed in a positive mannor since understanding game, and everyone I know has also noticed it. I have become a happy, social person, who feels comfortable in many situations that I would never have even dreamed I could.
Paulo Abelha Said,
February 15, 2009 @ 12:31 pm
HI Neil! I am your fan! You are one of the only guys who are really inteligent and serious about your body of knowledge in this “community”.
I am from Brazil, and here, probabily in mos tof thw world to, 90% of the PUAs are full of shit. Few are the guys who REALLY go out and try pick up consistently. They just spit these 100 rules of dating, blah, blah, blah….
Hope to see more posts form you,
Paulo Abelha
Jacobeli Behar Said,
February 22, 2009 @ 1:04 am
I agree with you on that man. Until i found your book, i was the worst it gets. Overweight, low self esteem, Id only had sex with one girl, and i felt myself losing everything i liked about myself. Now, im losing weight, i have a real adult wardrobe, im talking to girls and strangers, and pulling numbers using a mix of techniques from the book and stories from my own past. I think that by targeting the community, these shows are actively seeking to destroy us or make us socially unacceptable like we felt before joining up. We need to have like a million PUA march or something lol. “I have a dream, that I can speak to any girl on earth and become the ultimate version of myself”
Pessimist Said,
February 22, 2009 @ 1:17 pm
I belong in a different culture and my values differ from yours so forgive me if I don’t entirely understand the point of PUAs, I don’t believe in one-night-stands, or casual sex but I do agree with you that dating is a form of socializing for men and women both if you don’t take the leap nothing will happen for you. However not all people who know this stuff are good, humans are capable of incredibly good and horrifying things. We are flawed in every way, we are both docile and aggressive.
Richard Said,
March 18, 2009 @ 4:50 pm
> Maybe we can make a show about a crime-solving team
> of pickup artists, who use their social skills to make connections
> and get information from people.
You mean like the James Bond Movies?
Yani Said,
May 4, 2009 @ 1:30 pm
I loved the game and utilized what I learned to get more confortable with women. I did NOT use it as a tool for simply seducing women in a numbers game. THAT is the negative side of PUA that gets the bad wrap. Perhaps it is my age, not really wanting to build notches on my belt - just wanting one woman for love and I found her. PUA helped me ‘win’ her over. I may have had a chance with her before, maybe not. She is beautfiul, n=but not a supermodel, nor stripper or dancer. She is fun loving, but not a party girl. Not every man getting into PUA adopts it as a total lifestyle. Not every man who learns techniques uses them just for sex. Not every man who is PUA wants a 10 to somehow validate himself to other men (this is another negative about the community and one so many women have a problem with…both the 10’s and the 6’s…) and if we want to relate to women, we need to relate to them honestly. Maybe its my age, but a lot of what I got was PUA’s taking it to the extreme ARE losers who are now having a lucky streak… or making money off PUA - most men (especially the over 35 crowd) who learn about PUA are truly looking for a life partner. And as you said in your book Neil, PUA teaches you about pick-up, it has nothing to do with love… most women in my age range want love, not hook-ups with a man that shows value with other women. Its immature for these women and it has such a bad name now - or getting a bad name now - that a lot of these PUA’s (older) looking for love will be in worse shape. Someone has to write something that guides these men on what to do after they find someone… otherwise they are STILL lost souls and PUA has turned them into fools instead of confident men. Confident men have a purpose in life, they have a value system and they are not going to hide behind the skirts of women half their age just to impress other PUA’s… I realize PUA was not set up to hurt women, but a lot of PUA’s take advantage of their aquired skills and in fat, do hurt (rather unintentionally) women. We KNOW it. They KNOW it. The mature group I know have mostly moved on from PUA to areas where it takes much more skill. In fact, it has so much negative and somewhat immaturity associated with it that we have vowed to not let anyone else know we were PUA’s. Anyone can pick up a woman - what do you do down the road? Maintaining something long term - even for the rest of your life. That is what I have learned from my current relationship. Its about so much more than just routines and peacocking or negs or getting the hottest chick in the place. It about real connections. And real connections are not short lived. We are not just our biology. If we were, then we would be chasing 13 year olds. We are men (that would be a great name for a book designed to help men once they are IN a relationship, PUA minus the need for ‘picking up”…maintaining). I have my own skills set that I use to keep my woman happy and in turn, she is devoted and treats me like a king. SHe really listens to what I have to say and although I do not expect her to obey my every whim, for the most part, things go my way. No games. Well, games of a different sort. My routines are about being a good man toward her and mutually fulfilling one another core needs. This is showing her my value and in turn she consistently proves her value to me. I am no longer and AFC needing guidance with getting laid. I get laid almost every night and sometimes I have to ‘pull back’ from her sexually because she wants it all the time. we are in our later 40’s. How many married men in their 40’s have to hold their wives back? If they had married game, they would. Its so much simpler and I am so much happier with one HB7 (sometimes 6 sometimes 8 depending on her clothes, hair, and above all attitude) - but our sex life and overall relationship… 10… how many unemployed, looking for a place they fit, going home frustrated or trying to remember game to get the girl or compete with the Alpha males or get the Alpha male title other PUA’s can honestly say their relationship lives are a 10? Not many is my guess.
Jay Said,
May 13, 2009 @ 7:25 pm
Another show, The Mentalist, did two pick up artist type shows in the last few months
Season 1: Episode 14: Crimson Casanova
CBI is called in to investigate the murder of a millionaire’s wife, Claire Wolcott, who was shot following a sexual rendezvous with her lover, a local pick-up artist, Paul Fricke. Paul has spent years … More…
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Episode 18 had a small part on a pick up artist, but he was just a side story and worked for a NLP guru, that was the main story…
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/the_mentalist/
jorge Said,
May 30, 2009 @ 5:03 am
After all, I dont know Neil, how u dealed with your fears, but everytime I sense there is people reading your teory (PUAs) around me, I feel that I cannot be one, that I am not original if I am doing the same as them, so I rather really prefer when less people knows the valuable all this stuff is, that in a way gives us (PUAs) the opportunity to be more special.
For me is ok, if the PUAs are disminished because what others think is not what matters, I think what should really matter is what you think about yourself and how good and attractive you think you can be, and in the case of the community, how much you can help your friends and anyone around you to become a REAL PERSON, and ENJOY LIFE.
anyway, THANKS 4 CHANGING MY LIFE NEIL
New York Said,
June 4, 2009 @ 11:27 am
I just read this after I saw the new collegehumor video (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1913169)… guess it never ends.
drteeth Said,
July 17, 2009 @ 4:07 pm
I’ve been learning the whole David DeAngelo way for some time and branched out into reading the other books he talks about like Mastery by George Leonard and The Red Queen by Matt Ridley. I also got round to reading the Game. After learning how to improve myself and get better socialising and having fun with women (it is a game after all) it was initially a bit of a shock reading all about Mystery, PUAs and how you became so integral to the community. I had to read it again to get some perspective; it still tells a message of ‘don’t lose yourself’. I agree, guys can get so obsessed with the Game as with any thing else but I can’t see how that translates to a TV plot where PUAs become killers! Homeostasis, that’s all it is. Haters probably but maybe not all consciously.
As for improving guys, the Game is definitely a way to go. Call it learning how to dance the mating dance or the metaphor I like is that inside we are all good guys (of course we are) but our communication equipment needs updating, constant tuning and maintenance to make sure that we get that intrinsic goodness across most effectively. By involving yourself in the process the side-effect is a clearer stronger ability to communicate. But you can’t get that if you try it directly. There’s not path or journey so no process of improvement. Another of the universe’s cat strings.
Dani Said,
September 15, 2009 @ 6:50 pm
The sorry thing with all this is that it was the loner guy´s way of getting back on track with life. Too bad every girl and guy knows how this shit work´s because of the explotation. And it´s back to square one. The loner´s still outside and nowanday´s even laughed at because he´s trying. And all people on the field are aware on what he´s trying to do. Now it´s just like before, but the mentality out on the field, yeah tougher than ever!
Thanks Neil!
Any advice, youv´e got my mail;)
Scoundrel Said,
September 16, 2009 @ 3:59 am
When I first read the game it was like a bucket of ice cold water in my face. It was shocking in that I hadn’t seen it all before. It was clear to me that every sexual relationship I’d ever had started exactly this way. Also, I had made all the mistakes.
I can see why some people could think it’s creepy. But, they simply do not understand what it is. It’s not about manipulating women. It’s about becoming the man women naturally want to be with.
I want to thank you Neil for opening my eyes and allowing me to see the light.
Christian Cocaine Said,
September 29, 2009 @ 7:32 pm
Neil,
Who cares if people steal your ideas for their lame television shows that no one takes seriously. People take you seriously and everyone knows that you were the first to document this sort of thing.
Besides, the real genius of ‘The Game’ is not the advice. It is your ability to write a worthy piece of literature that appeals to the masses. I’m sure Stephen King wishes he could pull something like this off instead of that “McDonald’s hamburger—same quality control, same aftertaste, same steamed interludes” crap that he siphons to the sheep by the corporate keg.
Although I have my own views on how to seduce women-that differ vastly from yours-what’s important is that you have people reading; people that typically wouldn’t touch a book. Authors should be thanking you b/c you have spurred a whole movement that is going to make a lot of writers rich down the road.
Immensely enjoyed your book, especially since I used to live near the corner of Fountain and Poinsettia. Same stomping ground. Excited to hear what you have to say in your next books. Keep’m coming.
Christian
AspireNow Said,
November 23, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
I found The Game to be a revolutionary book when it was released. There is a dark side to The Game, and a light side. It is the same with human beings. Learning The Game, whether from David D, David M, Neil, RJ, (who I’d discovered long before Neil’s book but found NLP to be rather manipulative) in most cases is a proactive, self-help type of thing to do.
These shows that rip on parts of it are as unfair to it as those who portray the priest as evil, as most television and movies do these days. Most priests are not evil, as we know. Most people who want to meet women are just MEN - period.
For women who bristle at it, perhaps it is because they dislike being “picked up” in any form. However, the truth is, they respond to what they respond to, as crazy or realistic as it might be. If they want to start dating nice guys then maybe they ought to respond to the guys who just say “Hi, my name is ….” with a handshake who then say “I think you’re pretty, let’s hang out.” But they don’t really respond to that very well, now, do they!?
In my own experience, the laws of PUA are no different than the laws of SELLING anything - when I sold timeshares they suggested we use “baby negatives” (the same thing as what you call NEGs - you didn’t create it - we were doing it to sell vacations years ago!) to put down the product - or the prospect, depending upon the situation. However, they also suggested the use of positive 3rd party stories that gave back the positive vibe to the prospect or product - at some point. Dating is quite similar to sales. Music also works this way. If you play some notes slightly dissonant (minor), that makes you feel discombobulated. However, when I then play notes on my sax that all flow within the scale (major) you experience the release of glory - in essence, you must face the darkness to see the light.
So, I’d recommend to people to learn as much as they can about themselves, become unique people, and repeat actions to gain confidence in ANYTHING they do in life. To become obsessed with anything - including how to meet women - is simply narcissistic and/or OCD and unhealthy in any form - no different than the person who ONLY shoots guns or ONLY reads the Bible or ONLY practices medicine all day long. Being a one trick pony is always boring. Don’t be boring, be Renaissance men (and women) and live life to the fullest!