3 Steps To Avoid The Dreaded Friend Zone

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The friend zone sucks. It’s a result of too little attraction and too much comfort. Hearing her say, “You‘re really a nice guy,” or, “You‘re like a brother to me,” can be painful when you want more.

So here we are…


1. Disqualify her to build attraction

The first step to avoiding the friend zone is making sure that she is attracted to you. To do this you simply follow the rules of the game: disqualify and build value until you see indicators of interest. If you’re the kind of guy that gets caught in the friend zone all the time, you might not be disqualifying enough.

Disqualification means telling the girl that, for some reason, you’re just not into her. It’s the most counter-intuitive piece of the game and, for the new guys, it feels weird. Don’t let discomfort stop you, though—it’s necessary. Next time you’re out, make sure to come up with some reason that you and she aren’t right for each other.

Here are three used and tested disqualifiers:

  • You’re cool, but you don’t seem to be adventurous enough for me.
  • We can’t hang out anymore – I’m an asshole and you’re so nice. It would never work out.
  • You would be perfect for one of my friends.

2. Be patient, but go for the kiss.

You need to go in for the kiss at some point. A guy who misses his window of opportunity to kiss her and opts to spend more time building comfort will end up in the friend zone.

If you don’t think you can spot a window of opportunity when it appears, then you have to create it by using routines like Style’s Evolution Phase Shift, or by simply saying, “Do you want to kiss me?”

I know it can be scary at first, but trust me—going for it and screwing up is a better option than hesitating and missing it. At least she’ll know that you’re sexually interested in her. You can always try again later. The game isn’t over just because you make one mistake.

3. Only have past relationship talks on your terms.

It may seem that talking about how awful her ex-boyfriends were is a great way to build comfort—it’s not. If you sit around talking about it too long, there’s a chance she’s going to start treating you like your one of her girlfriends or one of her other platonic male friends.

It’s highly likely she has an emotional connection with those past lovers that’s way deeper than the one she currently has with you. When you’re talking about those guys, she’s connecting to those emotions. You want her to be thinking about you, not them.

So if the ex conversation does come up, cut the thread and talk about something else. Here’s my favorite way out of the relationship conversation trap:

“We should skip the ‘whose ex is worse’ conversation. You’re going to win; I’ve only been in awesome relationships.”

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49 Comments on “3 Steps To Avoid The Dreaded Friend Zone”

  1. Hilarious that I was just talking about “The Friend Zone” last night in the book I’m writing. Thinking back to all the time I was Zoned, disqualifiers could have been so useful. I cannot wait to use the closing line, “We should skip the ‘whose ex is worse’ conversation. You’re going to win; I’ve only been in awesome relationshits.” That line is simply brilliant!

  2. When she talks about her past relationships, she’s not thinking about a new one, its in your best interest to disqualify such talk with something else, when I’m face in that situation, I usually say something like, “Maybe you should call him over, I don’t like competing with someone not here.” Sounds harsh I know, I only say it to put things in prospective for me, either she’s wants her ex or she want more, that’s when you come in.

  3. I honestly can say Ive never had an gal talk about ex’s but I’m sure glad I read this, cause Ive definitely seen some of my buddies that play way too nice get trapped in the friend zone all the time.

    I could never figure out how they would manage to get on the topic of her ex-bf’s in the middle of a club? lol

    I’ll agree with Smalls and Mike, brilliant!

  4. Pick up purgatory, my god the place I lived my entire single life FINALLY has a name!! And it’s brilliant. The more I read about pick-up strategy and the methods, especially those which are completely counterintuitive, the more I remember watching guys who always have women after them doing exactly those things. Crazy.

  5. Do you have any tips for getting out of the Friend Zone or is it like the Phantom Zone, from which relatively few escape?

    #3 is exactly why I read these posts, George. I’d suggest putting any intense conversation about emotional or friend drama in this category. It may seem nice and intimate to talk about a girl’s roller coaster of relationship with their boss or roommate or whatever. However, those drama-heavy topics are functionally gossip (especially when dished out over a drink at a club with someone she’s just met). People gossip with their friends, guys. Also, wouldn’t you rather she be focussed on you than an argument she’s having with Kimmy, the sorority sister who lives down the hall and never cleans up her dishes even though everyone has asked her, like, a thousand times to do it?

    1. I’ll write something up about getting out of friend zone.

      It’s much easier to prevent getting friend zoned than it is to get out of it once you’re there.

      1. Agreed. It was floating around before, but the answer to getting out of the friend zone and getting over oneitis was always: GFTOW… Go Find Ten Other Women.

        I now think there are plenty of ways to build the neccessary tension to spark attraction.

        Great article btw.

      2. and how could you get out of the friend zone??… i’ve never concerned about the game since i was like dating with a girl and i did things wrong! it so weird my case… i was like a boyfriend but i realized that she was trying to be like a ego feeder for her, the first night we did hang out… we kissed then she said she couldn’t remember anything because she was drunk LOL… then she told me that she had to meet me first because she was on a relationship of 3 years … we we’re like dating more i read the game more i realized my mistakes … but here’s the point … i started to be like a jerk on her and we started like a competition, she told me i just met a boy … you could be my friend and i don’t wanna hurt you… ( i detected she was just trying to test me) and i said WOW that’s nice i just met a girl to! and next day i pick up a girl and a friend upload the photos with her on FB… she won cuz she start dating 1 week later and told me I HAVE A BOYFRIEND I AM SO HAPPY… i detected that and said that’s nice for you im so happy too.. and she was just like being so be MY BEST FRIEND but fail the girl i picked up came back with her boyfriend and then i feel like DUMBASS around al her friends and friends of my.. telling me i thought she was like dating with u what happended? then i said NO FUCKING WAY never EVER will happen that to me… i saw zan perrion DVDs.. and like 2 months later keeping the way that ” i don’t mind” and didn’t talk to her someday i told her lets talk we got a lot of time without see u… WITH A HUGE SMILE ON MY FACE that’s isn’t for her i told her that i like her i don’t know why… but theres something that i like of you… i’m an adventures man i’m always searching for that thing i don’t know what it is but see my face i’m happy right now just to knowing i’m getting in to it, and i invite you to come with me! but if you don’t .. i understand LOL she was like WTF happened to you i was like so romantic but no fucking AFC on her.. Should i stop talking to her or what should i do …

      3. So I’m new, but do you have any follow up advice for getting out of the friend zone? It’s honestly my biggest problem, especially now that I’m feeling really attracted to an old friend of mine.

  6. I got a question on the dreaded “Friend Zone”.

    I just met up with a friend who now lives on Cyprus working as a bartender, we don’t know eachother all too well and I feel as though I’m headed for the FZ with her even though she showed great interest last time we went out partying a few months ago.

    So today, since I’ve started doing things according to the Mystery-Method recently, I greeted her as I would regularly and then I started throwing a few negs, DHV’ed her and threw in some false takeaways.
    Now granted I’m not superclose with her but she bit instantly it felt like, started pulling me back in when I was rolling off, showed a ton of IOI’s. Question is, was she showing more just because we’re friends or did I just strike gold? Is there a routine I could do to give more clarity?

    /Rookie from Sweden(yea, the place with all the beatiful blondes)

    1. You could take a leap of faith; make a move and kiss-close. The worst that will happen is she’ll be confused, but she’ll know for sure you’re interested.

      1. I suppose that’s my first option, just gotta get an opportunity to isolate her. Kind of hard when there is 1800miles of land and sea between us now 🙂 Guess I’ll put it on hold until she gets back later this summer and focus on strengthening my confidence in the game for now. Thanks for the tip!

    2. If I were you if you get in the situation where you are getting tons of IOIs just go in for the kiss dude. You never know what can come out of it after that. If she pulls away either the timing isn¨t right or she really does just see you as a friend. Good luck with the Swede.

  7. Another genius piece from you George. I now look forward to your posts just as much as Neil’s!

    A piece on getting out of the friend zone would indeed be great.

    And is there a link anywhere to see a copy of Style’s Evolution Phase Shift?

    1. #3 is a good idea. I’ve been on a few dates where the girl wanted to talk about past relationships and I would try to change the subject. Its not good to talk about that stuff because your just talking about drama and she might think that the last breakup was your fault and not want to keep going out with you because she doesn’t want to risk getting hurt. I haven’t been able to come up with a good line to avoid the subject but I like that one.

  8. That article resonates with me, specifically “2. Don’t hesitate. Go for the Kiss.” It’s hard to work up the courage at times, but far better than to make the move an learn from it (even if it doesn’t work out the way you want) than to not make the move at all.

    Also, it’s really well edited.

  9. Perfect one, you can’t imagine how many times I needed a routine like the “We should skip the ‘whose ex is worse’ conversation. You’re going to win; I’ve only been in awesome relationships.” So AWESOME! I always had problems withe the Friend Zone, I was like their therapist were they’d go to talk about all their emotional problems… And I would be like “NOT AGAIN!”.

    Thanks a lot George!!!

  10. That last line is pretty good.

    You can’t really worry about screwing up with one girl when there are literally billions more out there ready for meeting.

    Treating every single woman like they are gold before they show you what they are made of isn’t a smart way of investing emotionally or physically. That doesn’t just apply to romantic relationships either.

    1. George, I’ve used all three, but my question comes to #1. There are times I’ve disqualified them–early on–and the girl is completely fine with just being friends, not being adventurous. Then when I express an interest in them, it comes off incongruent. thoughts?

      1. smoothlatinkid, being down here in South America I have had plenty of trial and little error with women down here. What I have noticed though from the start is that you just need to be they kind of guy that shows others that you have fun with life and that you are genuinely a sincere person. Don´t try to analyze it to much. I had a gorgeous Venezuelan girl started chasing after me and it took me literally this whole year to finally understand what exactly I did. You¨ll improve your game with time. Don¨t rush it and try not to analyze everything so much or you¨ll really forget the great moments you´re living in life.

  11. Best thing I¨ve read on this site that I need to apply to my own personal life. This type of situation happend with a girl down here in South America and now that I¨m leaving I did all three of those things. Anybody have any advice on what I should do next. I mean I¨m headed back to the states so what do you do with a girl you¨re interested or were interested and now she´s wondering why you stopped chasing her. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!

  12. The friend zone, something that all man can unite together and have a mutual distaste for it. This article sums up the best way to get out of that trap before it happens. Thank you for reminding me about the dark side of “The friend zone”.

  13. Yeah I’m one of those guys whom this happens to very often. Actually, all the time. But I’ll apply this! Honestly, I’ve got no use for any more friends who are girls I’m not sleeping with, except maybe as wings.

  14. About the #3: What if the girl doesn’t see it as a joke and gets offended or then starts to ask about my past relationships and then I’ll be stuck again with the ex-talk?

  15. Time to break my cherry here at the circle!
    Those disqualifiers were great. Tried them tonight at a target whom was getting too friendly with me. Worked out great. Ended up with some kino instead. Thanks a bunch!

  16. It’s been said 100 times but I need to make it 101- that last line was fantastic.

    On another note, the Stargate Universe caption was brilliant as well. I fear many missed on that. I started the article off laughing.

    Remember if she’s bitching and crying about her ex (or boss, or job, or whatever) with you all the time where do you think those emotions are going to go?

    Talking of her ex builds up negative emotions, sorrow, anger, frustration, loneliness. And who is in front of her while she’s doing it? You. Whose face is being attached to these emotions? Yours. And it’s a slippery slope after that, because next time she see’s you her feelings at the time (negative) will rise up again, and she will likely recall the cause of those again, her ex… then guess what the conversation will be about?

    Skip it, you don’t want her in that state of mind. You want them recalling fun, happy, exciting moments with you so that those memories trigger those emotions and those emotions connect with your presence.

    It goes all the way back to the old Ross Jeffries concept of anchoring, which, though old, is still true.

    1. this is simply great view, i never thought of it as such and it makes so much sense and its so true too.

  17. “We should skip the ‘whose ex is worse’ conversation. You’re going to win; I’ve only been in awesome relationships.”

    is as witty as

    “cant help it My mother raised me well” – when being nice is taken for granted by a girl.

    thanks for this one …

  18. I have a question that may help me and many other guys: can you turn a friendship into a relationship? how? I don’t mean a serious relationship, just wanna know if you can succeed at trying to conquist her. greetings from Argentina!

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  20. I’ve gotten out of the friend zone several times. It’s hard to do, but it is possible. You have to get her to change her perspective of you. This is the method I use.

    1: You must go awhile without seeing, talking, or texting her. You must sever all communication with her. This is the hardest and most important step. If she is calling you all the time because you two are friends, then you have to blow her off. Tell her you are busy with a project from work or something like that. “Give her the gift of missing you.” How long you need to do this depends on how far in the friend zone you are in. If you are just picking up the early signs, then a couple of weeks will due. If you are really deep, then it may take a couple of months. (In the meantime, refine your game.)

    2: Begin a quick reconnection and invite her to a group gathering such as a party or a group night out. (Better yet, if you two have mutual friends get them to invite her instead)

    3: When you get to the gathering, do what PUA’s do best. Be the life of the group. Talk to other girls. In the beginning, act like you are too busy to talk to her. Build your value by negging and disqualifying other women. Only talk to her enough to seem like you are not straight up ignoring her.

    4: If played right at this point, she will start to fight a little for your attention. Then, treat it like an approach on a brand new target. In other words, start from scratch. (Obviously do not use the same routines you used to get her the first time.)

    5: Do not bring up the past between you and her. Don’t start talking about stories and events that happened before. You want her to only think about the new you. Remember this is a new target; there are no past events between the two of you.

    Finally, remember all the things you did wrong the first time and avoid those mistakes. Good Luck!

  21. I find this to be perfect! I wish my guy friends could read this, that’s the problem. I have too many male friends which is great but then again there are some I want to date or have tried to date.

    The fact that we started out as friends, told one another about our past and previous relationships, etc. makes it harder for me to date them.

    I end up just going out to dinner and maybe sex with a guy friend than I do going on a real date. Now that I just said that, friend sex is good but yes, it’s time to move on…

    Great article.

  22. Need some help to share their opinion. Ok really good friends with this girl we had a romance in Kenya she lives 2 hours away. We have kissed made out like teenagers. Now im trying to get over which im doing well at havent spoke to her in 4 months and i think she knows why because im getting over her.

    When i talk to her again should i explain why or just carry on as if nothing happened and disqualify.

  23. Hi Guys, I know this is an old article but was wondering if i could get some advice? I have been friends with this girl for about 4 years and never been into her.New year i kissed her and all of a sudden i started getting feelings for her…problem is i am in the friend zone and when i am around her i seem to loose “my game”because i have so much feelings for her… how do i get out the friend zone and other thing is she knows i have a reputation with the girls… any advice?

  24. Hey guys, regarding “disqualifiers”, more specifically this one -> “You’re cool, but you don’t seem to be adventurous enough for me.”

    Does it still works if you turn it around and say something like -> “You’re cool, but you seem way too adventurous for me.” or “You’re cool, but I’m to chill/relaxed and you seem too adventurous/explosive for me.” ???

    I know this girl, but she’s VERY energetic/explosive, so telling her that she doesn’t seem too adventurous is out of place.

  25. great article. and yes,, i’m having trouble with the hesitation of the kiss….need to pull the trigger buddy,,, all the time. thanks!! and yes it is painful damn it…it keeps in ur head “why i didn’t do it” why i didn’t pull the trigger”….

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